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The Leopardess AMARR REGULAR GUERILLAS 0	Posted - 2015.03.19 18:54:53 - [1] - Quote If anyone wants to own slaves if this gets any attention from the higher ups (doubtful) they are welcome to join the company I'll set up, granting you permission under my authority to be a slave master. ( i would legally own the slaves but you could "oversee" them as you see fit.) Any Holder would make a lot of money doing this if they did it the right way. Oh and I see the military personnel are now counting themselves as Holders. Nice try, that's earned through providence and bloodlines. What I mean is that it has often been the case that high ranking military and many religious clergy have been allowed to have slaves legally. That doesn't make you mercenaries and boot lickers HOLDERS. And please, all of this simpering over mere slaves? Do you all have no self respect, Ammarrians? Where is all of the pathetic crying over Sansha's continued reign of terror (vastly overshadowing Naupilus' so-called "crime") or outrage over the continued murder of innocent Ammar Empire citizens at the hands of tribal forces? No, we have to whine on and on about a tiny incident that happened outside the borders of Empire space, to legally purchased slaves. I'm going to guess that the Empress, may God keep her and bless her, is spending hours fretting about the sale of slaves in foreign markets. I'm sure the battle-hardened war-like Caldari are fretting even more than her. Actually no, they're not and I'm sure you're all on some list somewhere now of people who won't have the stomache when the wars escalate and the slave markets explode with product needing homes. Seems you all have a death wish and hate God's will.
The Leopardess AMARR REGULAR GUERILLAS 0	Posted - 2015.03.19 23:50:47 - [2] - Quote Oh REALLY? You're going to pull the HERETIC card? I love how everyone and their dog loving grandmother seems to have the authority to dictate what IS and what is not HERESY these days! It's as if the Theology Council wasn't necessary anymore, given that they have all of these EAGER VOLUNTEERS! The Empress herself has ordered the destruction of who knows how many slaves (I know because I have relatives in The Order of St. Tetrimon who carried out the attack on Kor-Azor's slaves). Are you now suggesting that our blessed Empress is a HERETIC? Like I said LISTS. YOU. ON ONE. Defense of Empire is far more important and crucial than the re-education of slaves, no matter what Gallentean infiltrators would have anyone believe. It is right to dispense of a 1,000 Reclaimed slaves if it will save but one innocent Amarrian, even the lowest of them. We are at war with the Minmatar Republic and until their aggression ceases, I will view even the most tyrannical slave owner's actions as far less important a crime than the abduction and killing of already-God-fearing CITIZENS. Placing the safety of a slave above the safety of the Empire is EVIL, EVIL, EVIL. Sacrificing yourself for the safety and security of a non-believer slave is worse than anything, you are betraying God's edict to rule, conquer and wreak vengeance. And most slaves are nonbelievers, or you've never worked with the hateful little primitives.
The Leopardess AMARR REGULAR GUERILLAS 0	Posted - 2015.03.20 18:46:46 - [3] - Quote Astera Zandraki wrote: Taking slaves off any and all markets would be better. The idea that it's alright to treat people as chattel is really ****** up. Ha! As opposed to just murdering people like you do? Hypocritical little snot! You ARE God's slave and he will reclaim you inevitably, even if there were no Amarr you would still have to face Retribution and Reclamation. Miss Kernher, please just call me Sayuri. I get what you are saying, but don't you see that is exactly my point? All Amarrian capsuleers seem to like to do these days is fret about paltry issues, or this one politically charged issue, while the big issues that actually threaten Empire space or our values go completely ignored. One maniac killing Minmatar slaves is not a threat to the Empire. The Gallente and Minmatar empires both hate us already - there is no repair or redemption of friendship there waiting to be had. They will annihilate us completely if they had the chance. As long as the faithful stand strong in God's light and God's will, we'll never fail. Placing slaves above the worth of Amarrians is the beginning of an end to the covenant we share with our Lord, our promise to engage in Holy War and wreak his Vengeance on those unfaithful to their Lord, Father and Master.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.08.14 10:17:03 - [4] - Quote There's nothing particularily horrible about slavery. If one finds themselves a slave, they should perhaps consider why God is pissed off at them, quite frankly. They've probably been little a**holes.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 8	Posted - 2015.08.15 08:09:14 - [5] - Quote Oh, but even us devout Amarrians defy scripture all the time. Everyone is sinful, and causing suffering which is completely under the control of God is not as big of a sin as denying God for example. I am up in arms about that, and you all should be too. No one should pick and choose priorities based on pet vanities, clearly everyone who is so obsessed with abolishing one of our most time-honored traditions loves the delicious feeling of superiority when they denounce slavers. This sort of false morality is governed by self-righteousness instead of the righteousness of God. One should always prioritize based on the gravity of the sin, and using force against another human being as long as it doesn't involve killing them or preventing them from praying is just a little bit of a sin when it is done by the irreligious. If they are God-fearing it is not as bad as a non-slaver who promotes vigorously the falsehood of their precious "freedom" like in the Gallente Federation. Khanid is a part of Amarr and their voice in the matter has to be accounted for as they were chosen by God very early on at the dawn of the Great Crusade, this is undeniable.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 8	Posted - 2015.08.15 08:32:01 - [6] - Quote I don't know if you noticed this, but, there are a lot of other traditional Amarrian values the merchants in those markets have not adopted. It's still illegal in Amarr, but since when have our laws ever stopped the Godless? This is like battling an ocean of sin with a hairdryer. The root of the evil is not in this action of selling slaves, it is merely a symptom of a greater sin of not recognizing God's authority and Amarrian authority. I am more concerned with research and development of warfare technology to permit Amarrians to reclaim the Godless, rather than playing their game on their terms. I spit on petitions!
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 8	Posted - 2015.08.15 09:29:52 - [7] - Quote But you're not going to the Civic Court station and buying slaves. That's your choice. People may choose to sin all the time, that doesn't mean we should analyze ever transaction that happens. I can't be bothered to go pick up slaves my mother assigns me, and I wouldn't appreciate having to personally travel to the middle of nowhere, interrupting my work in the war machine to have to somehow micromanage slave transactions. She certainly would NOT appreciate having to go there herself either and would probably just reassign holdership as a proxy to someone who would then spend all of their time managing slave transactions in person. Does that sound like Amarrian tradition? We are granted authority by God, not restrictions based on the shortcomings of others. I will not be bound by this. This is just going to restrict progress, business, technological advancement and make for longer waits in the holding areas for the slaves. When my agents go to the markets they are buying more than slaves, and since slaves are replaced so infrequently it is simply not practical to just buy slaves, they need to be in the broader market just for the sake of convenience. I am not going to have my businesses suffer because some unauthorized and lawless person might see fit to take Sin upon him or herself. That is between them, God and the Inquisition or Concord, whichever jurisdiction they fall under, once that act is committed.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 8	Posted - 2015.08.15 09:41:34 - [8] - Quote Thornir wrote: Signed. The right to slaves are only to be held by Holders. That's not what the "petition" is about. Actually it's not even a well written petition it's just a paragraph from a liberal fruit dictating to Holders how they should conduct business in Amarr. If every slave in the markets had a Holder standing right next to them they still wouldn't be happy.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 14	Posted - 2015.08.15 13:06:32 - [9] - Quote This is clearly a pet cause of your Samira, I'm sure brought on by your personal experiences. People who are not Holders are already NOT permitted to buy slaves. If such a one does then of course they should be punished. War is and always will be at the forefront of my family's concerns, not the freeing or comfort of slaves. War demands weapons, and weapons demand raw materials created or mined partially by slaves like the ones working in my mines and factories. It is glorious combat that will enforce righteousness. This is not glorious combat. This is bureaucracy! You are saying that Holders are somehow currently breaking with scripture by facilitating the ease of putting slaves to honest and Godly work. There is no better work that contributes to the glory of the Amarr, which is the glory of God in the material world, than the work my family and other honorable hard working Holder families puts them towards. We work as hard as our slaves, if not harder. Furthermore you are saying that we should enforce His Will. I am saying that to enforce that Will, laws have to have been broken. Even if a non-holder should purchase a slave, it may be that that non-holder will deliver it to a Godly market where they know proper Holder will give them a fair price and thus I believe they redeem themselves. I would not punish such a one. That would be a very minor sin. There are greater sins, for example, fighting against Amarrian people in rebelliousness. I don't see any Amarrians complaining about that sin. This isn't a "petition" to punish someone who has broken His Law or Man's Law. This is a "petition" to force unnecessary hardship specifically on Amarrian businessmen of the Holder class. Restricting the passage of slaves through the Empire like this will only hurt my business and the business of other Holders. hurting business for Amarr hurts the War effort, and hurting the War effort is an affront to God's will!
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 20	Posted - 2015.08.16 03:10:33 - [10] - Quote Oh for goodness sakes, the Caldari State treats their employees worse than my family treats its slaves. I hardly think they would find the Reclamation that bad. Anyways in my opinion they're already slaves to Amarr. I can't imagine life without Caldari technology. Sometimes micromanaging is not management at all. As for the scriptures and Holders, it also states that one should obey one's betters. I find that if the Holders or the Heirs want their subjects to own slaves, such as my Mother, God bless her with long life, and His Holiness King Khanid II, Lord of the Marches, may the Lord grant him strength, then who are we lessers to argue with them? I would like to point out that my family immediately obeyed her Holiness Jamyl Sarum's edict on 9th generation slaves gladly, and provided them with transport to the Republic if they wished or a home and a job in the constellation they grew up in.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 22	Posted - 2015.08.16 05:40:00 - [11] - Quote Arrendis wrote: The Leopardess wrote: A whole lot of utter tripe and arrogance. How screwed up do you have to be where you start making Nauplius look sensible and MiniLuv seem like a humanitarian organization? Not screwed up enough to deny the Empress and threaten to kill the faithful for not bending to some nullsec tyrant's will.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 22	Posted - 2015.08.16 05:56:59 - [12] - Quote Alizebeth Amalath wrote: I truly hate that I cannot go on a religious retreat anymore without having to check and see what is happening back home. However, I will say that so far, Samira might as well be posting from my own talking points. Except the whip not chip slogan. That is not mine. Though, I do feel that all slaves should be treated in such a manner as to reclaim them for God so that one day they, or their descendants will serve God as free subjects of the Empire. Oh good I'm glad you are willing to take credit for all of her work, now we all can see who is behind her belligerent anti-slavery and anti-authority behavior instead of blaming the poor creature. I am grateful that I attend a church where slave whipping techniques are still taught to youngsters at religious lessons and mortification of the flesh is considered to be holy still.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 22	Posted - 2015.08.16 06:19:43 - [13] - Quote Alizebeth Amalath wrote: I am neither anti slavery nor anti authority. I believe that slaves should be owned and cared for by holders and duly appointed custodians and not random capsuleers who intend sacrifice them en mass as part of some Sani Sabik ritual. Yes, yes, always with the deference to Holders. Well I am not a Holder, but I might be someday, and I certainly handle Holder business already, and I am here to say that this petition does not help Holders, slaves or the precious few trained slave handlers we have left. And it most certainly does not prevent slaves from ending up in the hands of the Blood Raiders. I mean, how do you think taking slaves OUT of the Amarr Empire protects them? These are matters of sin. It is much worse for a slave to be rescued and sent to battle against us than it is for a Blood Raider to slay them, for then at least they are a martyr to the Lord, innocent of blame. I think this is an abolitionist movement, and I will not change my mind until I see something that makes sense to me.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 29	Posted - 2015.08.16 22:13:34 - [14] - Quote Nauplius wrote: 1,022,541 Slaves. Purchased not from Imperial markets, but from the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel. I do not need Imperial slave markets to glorify God in the destruction of slaves. And these slaves will glorify God in their destruction. Amen. Amarr Victor. Amarr Victor Nauplius you need to be trained properly in slave indoctrination techniques otherwise this is a sin. They must be granted the opportunity to have a trial of faith before death. What you are doing is similar to the very early days of the Empire except you are dealing with slaves from the Angel Cartel and we were dealing with slaves from the Khanid. It's not legal in Amarr proper, you know. I'm not going to quibble too much with your choice of putting them to death because you clearly will not change your mind about it and our best cannot find your clone bays. However, I advise you to take a good course as a slaver through a traditional Amarrian school, then you can at least do this stuff properly. In this fallen world, nothing is as God intended. It is deeply marred by sin and until Completion comes we must follow the way as closely as possible. Also Crusading must be an act of Love for God's creation and you seem to be fostering only hatred which is irreconcilable. I think that it also polarizes others into thinking that Love cannot be paired with War and Retribution. This righteous fury of Amarr has been at the heart of our church since the beginning. There were crimes committed back then, just like the ones which you are committing to the history books. But never has such an overwhelming amount of apathy amongst Amarrians been present towards a proper Reclamation effort. I do not think capsuleer opinions represent the will of the people. The people wanted a Sarum on the throne more than anyone else, and there are very specific reasons for that. And I would like to see reformations in the Crusade to further empower more aggressive capsuleers so that they can have a place in the world of Amarr as God wills it. Also I would see free markets for Amarr. The people of Amarr are chosen by God and they will use the advantages of a free market in the most moral way. Even if one made it illegal to transport slaves across the Caldari border, it would lead to needless hassle for travellers and diplomats who need to take their slaves with them.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 31	Posted - 2015.08.16 23:36:37 - [15] - Quote You clearly do not understand us and until you convert, you will never understand the Amarr people. Be he farmer or soldier, the Amarr people understand War and they understand Vengeance. The Empress speaks to the heart of the people because God is there in them and God is with her.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 39	Posted - 2015.08.17 22:10:00 - [16] - Quote You're right I have flown in only a few fleets but I look forward to the day when I have enough experience to meet scum like you in glorious combat.
The Leopardess Viziam Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2015.08.23 11:16:14 - [17] - Quote Providence is NRDS, I still work there, some of my factories are still there. The CVA overreached their political and theological authority with me in a very stupid incident I won't repeat here as it is fairly tedious. But suffice it to say, yes, if the Imperium invaded, which they won't, of course I would stand against them. They are an absurd charade, a mockery of the Empire, a blight on the face of nullsec, a refuge of heretics and infidels.
The Leopardess Viziam Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2015.08.23 11:56:04 - [18] - Quote Nicoletta Mithra wrote: The Leopardess wrote: The CVA overreached their political and theological authority with me in a very stupid incident I won't repeat here as it is fairly tedious. That you constantly overreach your political and theological authority in public is much closer to the truth. CVA didn't overreach at all and you're ill advised to try to make them look bad in this: You brought this upon yourself. I chose to leave. I was asked not to. So yes, I did bring this on myself. Oh my you are a little gossiper arn't you? That the individual overreached was the opinion of the CVA officials to me in closing. You don't even know your neighbors that well do you? At this rate Max might as well just waltz in and burn it to the ground, you'll all be busy congratulating each other on how much gossip you have to bring to the tea party to bother with combat maneuvers. Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque, more like Societas Imperialis Crustulum Te
The Leopardess Viziam Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2015.08.23 12:38:31 - [19] - Quote Arrendis wrote: The Leopardess wrote: I chose to leave. I was asked not to. So yes, I did bring this on myself. Oh my you are a little gossiper arn't you? That the individual overreached was the opinion of the CVA officials to me in closing. You don't even know your neighbors that well do you? At this rate Max might as well just waltz in and burn it to the ground, you'll all be busy congratulating each other on how much gossip you have to bring to the tea party to bother with combat maneuvers. Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque, more like Societas Imperialis Crustulum Te The only theological authority I recognize is the Theology Council. Are you inventing a new religion or something? And here we see the mighty kitten seeding the ground so that later she can reap an endless number of rationalizations for why she didn't defend the region... I'm still docked here, been here for months, and nothing has happened. I go on the combat fleets and nothing has happened. So I'm here and I will fight, cowardice is actually not one of my vices. Is bloodlust and heresy one of yours? What excuse do you have for threatening the lives of millions of innocent lives down here? Oh it's to find an phantom that doesn't exist. You're treading on very thin ice threatening Amarr's backyard, the Holy Land of God. The excuses are not mine, but yours. First you wanted to invade Providence because of the Empress. Now she's gone - it's about a phantom body...there will always be another excuse for you people. You know as well as your "Pope" knows that innocents will die and you will forever be hated by the Amarrian people, forever barred from the Kingdom of God and forever damned to live eternally in darkness until you biomass your possibly soulless walking corpse.
The Leopardess Viziam Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2015.08.23 17:31:00 - [20] - Quote Nice try but I do not take orders from anyone ranking beneath me. You have no answer of course, because there is no correct answer except to apologize to God and submit yourself to his will by leaving Providence alone. Anyone with the Goon, CFC or Imperium related titles beneath their name is damned by God for harassing its people and engaging in war agains the Holy Empire.

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